Curse

Garrett · Jul 11, 2005, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Stop flogging the dead horse already

Thrain Longblade · Jul 11, 2005, 05:05 AM // 05:05

Here's a n00b question of my own. What does infused mean?

Chaynsaw · Jul 11, 2005, 06:36 AM // 06:36

Infusion means the Mursaat won't beat you into the ground with Spectral Agony, their skill that does 100 dmg/sec to uninfused folks. With infusion, it does about 9.

Anyway, what to say that hasn't been said? I take hitchhikers to Drok's much of the time because I can't be arsed to charge, but those people that charge for a fair run down there.. considering that run is 25 minutes and not easy to make, I have NO problem with people that charge. Those of you trying to scam the "scammers" haven't got any business feeling proud or brave, you're just disgusting.

Darksci · Jul 11, 2005, 12:42 PM // 12:42

If you want a FREE ride then ask for it.

Say what your doing - don't be a scammer.

DEFINITION OF SCAMMER:
a person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud
HENCE: YOU ARE ONE

IF the runner changed the deal when running - hes a scammer. BUT that isn't the case is it? You seem to be against running on the whole.

Anyway, conclusion is that your a scammer.
But if people want a free ride, then ask for it.
Last week i got my character ran to forge for 3K - good service, and nice watching too.
Yestaday i wanted another character to be run to forge - but this time I said i wanted a free ride. Someone offered, and he gave five of us a free run.

Jaythen Tyradel · Jul 11, 2005, 01:17 PM // 13:17

Only simple answers for Draknor Rushes:

1.Close off the pass to Draknor Altogether. (but wont happen)
2.Put LVL Requirments on Armor (cant be worn/used unless at a certain level). Still wont happen though since either being retroactive(ppl with Draknors Armor log in to find that they cant use armor, complain about having to buy new armor) or reactive (new ppl complain that they cant get armor like everyone else used to be able to and complain its not fair).

I said simple answers, not actually possible or truly workable.

Talesin Darkbriar · Jul 11, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43

All angst and "scamming" aside, look at the big picture a moment:

Rushers are basically preying upon the stupid, greedy and avaricious players who want to obtain something they cannot normally have access to.
How many level 20's pay anyone to "rush" them anywhere?
Well, maybe the stupid ones do...

Are the rushers scamming these people?
Yes they are.
Why bother having levels or requirements for anything? Just pay pay pay to get it for no effort!

Then you have the OP who stated how he "scammed? the "scammer".
No that doesn't make it right, but I did think it was funny.

As long as players want to cheat in the game, there will always be those who in turn cheat them.
And of course we know there are almost no cheaters in GW right?

Regards,

Talesin

crazy diamond · Jul 11, 2005, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

As long as players want to cheat in the game, there will always be those who in turn cheat them.
And of course we know there are almost no cheaters in GW right?

It's not cheating when they agree on a fee for a service. However going back on your word and not paying up after the other person did his part is cheating out the person you made the deal with.

I swear, morals and etiquette go straight out the window when it comes to video games.

Artemis Bladewing · Jul 11, 2005, 06:14 PM // 18:14

I dont see see the problem is in this. GW build its world and they actully included Lonars Pass and Snakes Dance. If ppl go and rush through let them for them. Getting the money for the rush and the armor does take time. I rushed through there 2 times just so that I can get down into the ice world and buy all the skills for PvP.

It is not cheating to go through there. Its like calling ppl that rush from Lions Arch to Sanctum Cay cheaters. Cheating is defined as breaking set up rules and NOT by doing something that U dont like. Do I call every player on GW a cheater cuz he sells black for 5k??? (it cost 1k in the beginning) or do I call someone cheater cuz he sells his Eco for 9k??? NO. If there is a demand, then someone has to fullfill the offer. It's kinda like saying someone who farms for 5 hours and has 20 gold items should give them away for free cuz he has so many.

I actully appreciate ppl who rush me through mission such us Eleonas or rush me through lonars pass because most of time I need to get skills. And if rush I am in a totally different instance then other players and there is no way that I affect their game play. I could continue about this stuff and talk about for example how stupid air elementalists remakes are ( get ur own team build idea of how to win!!) but thats not the point.

The point is: U are not God, U are not GW administrator, U do not work for Anet. These ppl do not delete ur acounts and dont bother u. All they do is request some money from n00bs who want to be rushed and they actully waste 25 minutes of their time to do that. THEIR CHOICE; LET THEM DO THAT. (Difference between farming for 25 minutes and rushing is that one is a secure way of money) THIS IS A GAME. YES, IT IS A GAME. NO ITS NOT REAL ITS A GAME.

toastgodsupreme · Jul 11, 2005, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

Rushers are basically preying upon the stupid, greedy and avaricious players who want to obtain something they cannot normally have access to.

After my first character, I had all my other characters I made afterwards rushed to Droknars. I played through the game once already, I can afford the armor, the materials, the runes, the dyes, the taxi fee, why NOT? And I got one rushed by a guy who was doing a FREE run. I still paid him 2k for the service (and a lot of other people in the group tipped him as well).

Now let's look at the Crystal Desert, where my Ranger is currently. I got rushed to Elona's for free. I tipped the lady 1k for the service. Why? I've been through that damned desert 3 times already. I know how to take down each and every mob. I've done the job change quests so many times I'm a pro now. If I'm too lazy to walk/fight my ass through the desert and someone is willing to run, hell yes I'll take it.

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

Are the rushers scamming these people?
Yes they are.

Some, maybe. I've never been scammed. Hell, while on my Necro-remake in the Crystal Desert, I paid this one guy for a round trip map rush (basically, unlocking many, many towns in the Crystal Desert). I paid him at mid way, then my comp froze up (my page file hard drive went south). He gave me a refund when I got back. Hell of a nice guy.

Don't make it out like all runners are scammers.

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

What the hell is wrong with you people that want rushes? I can only imagine that amount of pain and agony you must go through when playing a console game that doesn't allow for this sort of thing, and you have you play through the entire game a second time.

I want better armor early on. I want better skills early on. If I can access them, then I will through being rushed. Improves the fun I have. No team I've been on has complained about "the guy who got rushed to Droknars". I'd prefer a team of Droknar-armor-wearing-asses-like-me in Ventari's than I would a regular team. Why? Because at least those kids have the sense to have gotten the best armor early on. Shows they know SOMETHING. Shows they've probably been through all this before and have an idea of what they're doing.

This discussion, the talk of Droknars altogether, needs to DIE. It's OLD. It's been beaten to death, brought back to life, and beaten back to death again.

If you would like to discuss Droknar Rushing, please see the following threads, I'm sure one of them is based on what kind of bitching you'd like to do:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...light=droknars

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...light=droknars

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...light=droknars

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...light=droknars

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...light=droknars

Artemis Bladewing · Jul 11, 2005, 07:51 PM // 19:51

thx for the thread listing maybe this will make ppl finally shut up.

Damon Windwalker · Jul 11, 2005, 08:00 PM // 20:00

I think all this whining is funny.

One of the things that attracted me to Guild Wars was the emphasis on creativity and strategy. Find ways of doing things.

So some people have found a way to meet a demand (earlier players getting better armor). They offer a service. And, like any service, they charge what the market will pay.

It's kinda like taking my car to Jiffy Lube. I could change my oil myself for about $15 or less. Why would I pay Jiffy Lube $40? They provide a service, I can choose to use it or not use it. Are they scamming? No - they give exactly what they say up front that they will give. Am I stupid for using them (or not using them?) The value is strictly for me to decide.

It's amusing. I see quotes like this:
"What the hell is wrong with you people that want rushes? I can only imagine that amount of pain and agony you must go through when playing a console game that doesn't allow for this sort of thing, and you have you play through the entire game a second time. Heaven forbid you should play the game the way it was meant to be played. You spent the money on this game... ENJOY IT."

...and I have to laugh. It seems that you are the one in pain and agony over this - not the people who are rushing/paying rushers.

Play the game. Enjoy it. Let others play it the way they want to play it. What difference does it make to you? Are you just pissed that you didn't think of the idea first?

drowningfish999 · Jul 11, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

The people that are always saying "play the game the way it was meant to be played" are contradicting themselves. The game was not meant to be played multiple times through as stated by the "grind free" advertisment. I don't really want to get into to anything about grind because it could get REALLY ugly, but if the game designers made it possible to skip certain parts of the game, then they obviously don't have a problem with you taking advantage of it. What do you think the point of Snake Dance, Lornar's Pass, etc. is? To look pretty?

Ishamael Sedai · Jul 11, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Guild Powder

um i never took money from anyone. I simply did not agree with them ripping people off charging them 3k for a place i have already been. AND HE RAISED IT TO 5K AT SNAKE DANCE

he was a jerk.

wow a big 10 minute run and he expects 5k from 7 people. LMAO loser.

Is your word not worth anything to you? When I give my word I want to back it up because it is worth something to me. One reason is that having a good name is important when I am trading with other people online. Secondly I take pride that what I say means something. It doesn't matter if he was asking you 1 million gold for the trip. If you do not think its fair then just walk away and use someone else? How hard is that? What do you think they should charge. In 10 minutes I can make 3k. If nothing else I know that you don't care about your word much at all and you have no clue how to farm. You have no idea how valuable 10 minutes is.

Arthur Eld · Jul 11, 2005, 08:28 PM // 20:28

I can't believe everyone. This is a problem with a SIMPLE solution that everyone has seemingly overlooked.

Guild Powder is a moron.

It took me five words to say what 3 pages of responses have been trying to say this whole time.

*Note* The word "moron" is also interchangeable in this case with "idiot" and "asshole".

arnansnow · Jul 11, 2005, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthur Eld

I can't believe everyone. This is a problem with a SIMPLE solution that everyone has seemingly overlooked.

Guild Powder is a moron.

It took me five words to say what 3 pages of responses have been trying to say this whole time.

*Note* The word "moron" is also interchangeable in this case with "idiot" and "asshole".

I entirely agree, but I would use much stronger words.

Ishamael Sedai · Jul 11, 2005, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Powder

did i have to use all the details? why is this so important. This guy probably makes 100 of thousands a day just by scamming n00bs telling them that running is so great. ITS SO NOT FAIR. ANd tons of ppl do this. Whenever i go to beacons i tell people NOT TO PAY.

You are really dumb. First you are not someone's mom. You have no right to tell someone what is fair to them or not. Some people don't think paying 100k is fair for a sword. Should they go tell someone who is paying 500k for a fellblade don't do it because its not fair? Dang let people play their own game.

Most of the people being run are not noobs. I for instance have a very specific reason for having my monk run and that is to get my monk leveled so I can use a monk in UW and FoW. 3k is practically nothing to me and definitely worth it. What was I going to use it on anyway? To tell you the truth if no one was running for 3k and people were only charging 30k I would have paid 30k. You have 2 problems which I stated earlier. First is you are wanting to be everyone's mom. Secondly you have no clue how to make money on this game.

Let me ask you a question. Would it be fair to pay someone 100 gold to be runned to drok's. What 3k is to many people, 100 gold is to you. But see you probably don't know that nor believe that. If you would keep your mouth shut no problem, but you insist on telling people that something isn't fair for them when in reality you don't have a clue about them.

Ishamael Sedai · Jul 11, 2005, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

All angst and "scamming" aside, look at the big picture a moment:

Rushers are basically preying upon the stupid, greedy and avaricious players who want to obtain something they cannot normally have access to.
How many level 20's pay anyone to "rush" them anywhere?
Well, maybe the stupid ones do...

Are the rushers scamming these people?
Yes they are.
Why bother having levels or requirements for anything? Just pay pay pay to get it for no effort!

Then you have the OP who stated how he "scammed? the "scammer".
No that doesn't make it right, but I did think it was funny.

As long as players want to cheat in the game, there will always be those who in turn cheat them.
And of course we know there are almost no cheaters in GW right?

Regards,

Talesin

Or people being rushed are people who have devoted 600 or 700 hours to characters who have done all or 99% of the quests and don't feel like spending any more time than is needed redoing low level quests...

I don't have people pay me to take my level 20 somewhere but why couldn't I if I want it. If I am close to a million anyway and I can't get over that amount. What if I want to pay someone to take me around the guildwars world. What if I want to pay someone to run back and forth for 10 minutes? What if I feel like paying someone to wand only kill 20 enemies while I watch?

Its not a cheat. Arena designed it that way. Surely if they are bright enough to design games they have the foresight to know that this would happen. It is a big version of what many people have done at least once in a game. Have you never had a quest at lets say around level 15 or level 16 or even level 18 that a big 20 level friend with max armor came and helped on. This is just a bigger picture of that.

I'll say this it suprises me that people come on here and call us people who are rushed lazy or what not. Many of us being rushed have spent much more time in this game than you have.

kleps · Jul 11, 2005, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by arnansnow

I entirely agree, but I would use much stronger words.

why would this not surprise me if this guy were internop whatever the hell his name was?

arnansnow · Jul 11, 2005, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by kleps

why would this not surprise me if this guy were internop whatever the hell his name was?

I am actually not internosp. Why do you think I am?

I admit I went a little overboard with that post, though.

Guild Powder · Jul 11, 2005, 09:01 PM // 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ishamael Sedai

Or people being rushed are people who have devoted 600 or 700 hours to characters who have done all or 99% of the quests and don't feel like spending any more time than is needed redoing low level quests...

I don't have people pay me to take my level 20 somewhere but why couldn't I if I want it. If I am close to a million anyway and I can't get over that amount. What if I want to pay someone to take me around the guildwars world. What if I want to pay someone to run back and forth for 10 minutes? What if I feel like paying someone to wand only kill 20 enemies while I watch?

Its not a cheat. Arena designed it that way. Surely if they are bright enough to design games they have the foresight to know that this would happen. It is a big version of what many people have done at least once in a game. Have you never had a quest at lets say around level 15 or level 16 or even level 18 that a big 20 level friend with max armor came and helped on. This is just a bigger picture of that.

I'll say this it suprises me that people come on here and call us people who are rushed lazy or what not. Many of us being rushed have spent much more time in this game than you have.

Thats true but i dont understand why they cant give you access to all areas on a new char once u beat game